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Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

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Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

Hi

This will be my first visit to Hokkaido and third visit to Japan.

The plan is to fly from Tokyo to Asahikawa then spend max 5 days (17 sep to 21 sep) photographing Daisetsuzan national park in peak Autumn period. I would like to return to Tokyo on or before 22 sep. I am flexible with timing.

Based on photos/videos I have seen I would like to do the following:

1) All day hike from Asahidake Onsen to Sounkyo Onsen (via susoaidaira plateau and ohachidaira caldera) which takes at least 7 hours (sunset is 5.30pm).

It is the same route shown in this article: https:/…150917_daisetsuzan.html. I am also a bit worried about encountering bears since I will be by myself.

2) Kogen Onsen: (4 hour circular route with ponds)

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e6781.html

3) Ginsendai and mount Akadake: (is this worth visiting?)

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e6780.html

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Q1) Japanguide.com recommends travellers hire a car to get around as public transport is infrequent and inconvenient. Apparently it is easy to hire a car. How are the costs?

Day1 (17): If I arrive at Asahikawa airport at 8:20am would it be too late to complete the Asahidake Onsen <-> Sounkyo Onsen hike on the same day? I'm thinking if I left the airport at 9am and took public bus to Asahidake cableway arriving before 10am I should be able to reach Sounkyo cableway by 5-6pm? Overnight at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 2 (18): Kogen Onsen / Ginsendai (by public transport). Overnight at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 3 (19): Kogen Onsen / Ginsendai (by public transport). Overnight at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 4 (20): Sounkyo waterfalls / Mount Kurodake then bus back to Asahikawa. Overnight at Asahikawa OR late flight back to Tokyo?

Day 5 (21): Scenic drive from Asahikawa to ??? OR fly back to Tokyo?

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Alternatively if I hired a car for four days...

Day 1 (17): Depart airport at 9.30-10am in hire car and drive to Sounkyo Onsen (1.5 hours) and visit Kogen Onsen or Ginsendai in the early afternoon, overnighting at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 2 (18): Kogen Onsen / Ginsendai (by car). Overnight at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 3 (19): Kogen Onsen / Ginsendai (by car). Overnight at Sounkyo Onsen.

Day 4 (20): Do the long hike from Sounkyo Onsen to Asahidake onsen. Overnight at Asahikawa OR late flight back to Tokyo?

Day 5 (21): Scenic drive from Asahikawa to ??? OR fly back to Tokyo?

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I have found good deals on accomodation in both Asahikawa and Sounkyo Onsen.

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1. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

Outside winter months driving is indeed a very good way to explore the vast area of Hokkaido, but in your particular situation consider using just public transportation.

During peak season (normally the second half of Sept) you can’t drive directly to Ginsendai and Daisetsu Kogen Onsen. Using Sounkyo as a base you have to park your car at a designated parking lot and take a connecting shuttle to those two sites.

The Asahidake-Kurodake hike is a day-long hike. After the hike you have to use the infrequent bus service (with a transfer in Asahikawa) to get back to your base camp to pick up your car!

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2. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

Agree with William - better take public transports in your case.

If you're not crossing Asahidake over to Kurodake, then having a car would be most convenient to visit both Asahidake onsen @ 9 o'clock and Sounkyo onsen area @2 o'clock.

>>1) All day hike from Asahidake Onsen to Sounkyo Onsen (via susoaidaira plateau and ohachidaira caldera) which takes at least 7 hours (sunset is 5.30pm).

Crossing info re local website https:/…course_data-005.html

Beware to submit mountain climbing plan - accidents are not uncommon.

welcome-higashikawa.jp/wp-content/uploads/20…

Ginsendai from 1500m - koyo (fall foliage) usually reaches peak from mid-Sept. so your timing looks perfect.

Kogen onsen (1300-1400m) - koyo usually reaches peak after Autumn Equinox.

my trip to Kogen onsen and Asahidake in 2004.

www.japantravelinsights.com/2004-hokkaido/

Edited: 10 June 2018, 07:23
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3. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

You may have to monitor this page. The road from Lake Taisetsu to Ginseidai is allowed for shuttle buses only from 15 Sep to 24 Sep. To Kogen Onsen, from 21 Sep to 30 Sep this year.

https:/…chs81200000015es.html

This shows the timetables of the shuttles in 2017. The top is the ones between Sounkyo to Lake Taisetsu. Roughly one bus per hour. The below are Ginsendai (left) and Kogen Onsen (right). Two buses per hour. You may be allowed to park a car at Lake Taisetsu.

https:/…chs81200000015j6.pdf

Bears would not be high at the summit, but at the middle hight, such as around Kogen Onsen and Ginsendai.

https:/…d57c9r0000003m1c.pdf

https:/…d57c9r0000003m0x.pdf

Autumn leaves usually reaches the peak before 15 Sep at Asahidake. Then, Ginsendai and Kogen Onsen follows, as the traffic regulation plan shown above.

https:/…170920_daisetsuzan.html

https:/…170921_daisetsuzan.html

Asahidake bus is less frequent. One per three hours. No way to walk across on the same day after the morning flight using the bus from the airport to Asahidake. Stay there for the night, or base yourself at Sounkyo. The last Asahidake bus is good to catch the last flight after walking across Asahidake on that day. Sounkyo could be used as a base as in the below.

Sounkyo (sunrise) -(6h55m)- Asahidake 14:30-15:56 Asahikawa 16:35-18:30 Sounkyo

Sounkyo 602-625 Lakesite 630-705 Ginsendai -(7h)- Ginsendai 1530-1605 Lakesite 1605-1623 Sounkyo

Sounkyo 602-625 Lakesite 630-655 Kogen Onsen -(310min)- Kogen Onsen 1530-1555 Lakesite 1605-1623 Sounkyo

asahikawa-denkikidou.jp/asahikawa-airport/

www.dohokubus.com/files/kamikawa_souun.pdf

If you take a route via Susoai-daira Plateau, you will miss climbing the summit of Mt Asahidake.

https:/…05_daisetsu_map_e.pdf

The circular route in Kogen Onsen is now abandoned by a typhoon hit in 2016.

https:/…chs81200000015jk.pdf

https:/…d57c9r0000003m1c.pdf

If I choose to drive, I would visit Mikuni Toge Pass and Bogakudai Observatory as well to complete the southern loop around Daisetsuzan. Their peak colors would be in early October, though.

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4. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

Thanks to all for these helpful responses :) I will digest this information then respond with additional questions.

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5. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

I agree that it is not necessary to hire a car for the six days I will be in the area. At US$67 a day it gets quite expensive plus I will be travelling solo.

Due to return airfare prices I have revised my itinerary:

Option A (first night at Sounkyo)

Day 1 (19): Flight from Haneda to Asahikawa - Wed 6:45am to 8:20am ($152 air do) - bus to kamikawa and sounkyo onsen? visit waterfalls? overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 2 (20): Kurodake and sounkyo waterfalls, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 3 (21): Ginsendai, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 4 (22): Kogen Onsen, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 5 (23): (Spare day in case bad weather) Bus from Sounkyo to Asahikawa 5:30pm to 7:30pm, overnight in Asahikawa.

Day 6 (24): Long hike from Asahidake Onsen - Susoaidaira plateau - Ohachidaira caldera - Kurodake - Sounkyo Onsen (7 hrs). Bus from Sounkyo to Asahikawa 5:30pm to 7:30pm, overnight in Asahikawa. Same route as this: https:/…150917_daisetsuzan.html

Day 7 (25): Flight from Asahikawa to Haneda 1:25pm to 3:10pm ($138 air do)

https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=/m/01wf54./m/07dfk.2018-09-25;c:AUD;e:1;s:0;a:HD;sd:1;t:f;tt:o

Option B (first night at Asahikawa, Daisetsuzan traverse on day 2 is 4 days earlier - better koyo?)

Day 1 (19): Flight from Haneda to Asahikawa - Tues 6:45am to 8:20am ($152 air do) - what to see this day? Overnight in Asahikawa

Day 2 (20): Long hike from Asahidake Onsen - Susoaidaira plateau - Ohachidaira caldera - Kurodake - Sounkyo Onsen (7 hrs). Bus from Sounkyo to Asahikawa 5:30pm to 7:30pm, overnight in Asahikawa. Same route as this: https:/…150917_daisetsuzan.html

*Day 3 (21): Kurodake and sounkyo waterfalls, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 4 (22): Ginsendai, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 5 (23): Kogen Onsen, overnight in Sounkyo onsen

*Day 6 (24): (Spare day in case bad weather) Bus from Sounkyo to Asahikawa 5:30pm to 7:30pm, overnight in Asahikawa.

Day 7 (25): Flight from Asahikawa to Haneda 1:25pm to 3:10pm ($138 air do)

https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=/m/01wf54./m/07dfk.2018-09-25;c:AUD;e:1;s:0;a:HD;sd:1;t:f;tt:o

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Questions:

Q1) For option B, what sightseeing can you suggest after arriving at the airport given that I will be staying overnight in the same town?

Q2) Did the koyo at Ginsendai/Kogen arrive a week earlier in 2017? Historically I heard the best time to visit Kogen Onsen was after the autumn equinox (~24 sep?). Can any experts comment on the koyo timing for the last five years?

Q3) Is there any chance that the full Kogen Onsen loop will be re-opened in 2018?

Q4) louisjp : "Sounkyo (sunrise) -(6h55m)- Asahidake 14:30-15:56 Asahikawa 16:35-18:30 Sounkyo" <--- Sorry, I don't understand this

Q5) What time is the earliest bus from Asahikawa to Asahidake cableway?

Q6) Re: Long hike from Asahidake Onsen - Susoaidaira plateau - Ohachidaira caldera - Kurodake - Sounkyo Onsen (7 hrs): https:/…150917_daisetsuzan.html

I'm guessing the hike is much easier without the extra vertical gain to the summit of Asahidake?

Q7) Where can I find more information about this "mountain climbing plan" for the above hike?

welcome-higashikawa.jp/wp-content/uploads/20…

Q8) Sounkyo - Kurodake cableway: Is am or pm best? I have seen photos of the distinctive rock formations with colourful bushes in the foreground but am unsure whether they were taken in the morning or afternoon

Q9) I'm guessing the main advantage of having a rental car for this particular itinerary would be the ability to stop the car anywhere to take photos?

Edited: 16 June 2018, 20:24
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Option B day 2: "Overnight in Asahikawa". I need to return to Asahikawa to pickup my large suitcase (clothes/hiking food etc) as my camera gear is already enough of a burden for the long hike. Is there is a luggage service to send bags from Asahikawa to Sounkyo onsen?

Edited: 16 June 2018, 20:33
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7. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

For a traverse walk from Asahidake to Kurodake, selecting Asahikawa as a base is a good solution in a lavender season. The daytime is long enough. You could visit Furano or Biei on a day less suitable for a mountain climbing. In the autumn foliage season, the daytime is shorter. The earliest possible time you could get to Asahidake is 9:06. The sunset at Sounkyo on Sep 25 is 17:21. Yes, you do have more than eight hours. But you should count on two ropeways and a lift. It could be a rather tight plan: JR Asahikawa 7:40-(Ideyu-go)-9:06 Asahidake-(ropeway)-(7hr walk)-(lift)-(ropeway)-Sounkyo 17:30-(Dohoku Bus)-19:25 JR Asahikawa (A5). It would be better to stay Asahidake Onsen, as Schauwecker did.

Ideyu-gou(JR Asahikawa - Asahidake)

asahikawa-denkikidou.jp/manage/wp-content/up…

Dohoku Bus(JR Asahikawa - Sounkyo)

www.dohokubus.com/files/kamikawa_souun.pdf

Kurodake faces east. So, its view from Sounkyo would be better in the morning (A8). Asahidake is at the west. Its view from Asahidake Onsen would be better in the afternoon. The sunrise at Sounkyo on Sep 25 is 5:18. Kurodake Ropeway starts to operate at 6:00. Kurodake lift at 6:30. It could be also tough to get on the 14:30 bus at Asahidake. Unfortunately, you could not get back to Sounkyo if you take the last 18:00 bus to Asahikawa: Sounkyo 6:00-(ropeway)-(lift)-(7hr walk)-(ropeway) Asahidake 18:00-(Ideyu-go)-19:26 JR Asahikawa (A4).

You may even arrange climbing routes. Ginsendai and Sounkyo course, Ginsendai-Ohachidaira-Sounkyo, Sounkyo-Ohachidaira-Soukyo loop, or Sugatami-Susoaidaira-Ohachidaira-Asahidake-Sugatami loop (A6). Do the math for the necessary times at your side (I have found Schauwecker did some in the next post). I first considered Ginsendai and Kogen Onsen as a loop course (both sites have bus accesses from 21 Sep to 24 Sep this year). But this route is closed by brown bear sightings. The same could apply to the above. Read the info on the following sites.

daisetsuzan.or.jp/wp-content/…Route_map_a.pdf

http://www.daisetsuzan.or.jp/english/

…env.go.jp/nature/…index.html

Climbing Plan(Climbing Report) Download (A6)

https:/…006-climbing_plan.html

http://jac.or.jp/authorba0a6/index.html

Asahidake broadcast (English from 0:58)

…hokkaido.lg.jp/kakuka/chiiki/anzentozan/anz…

Takuhaibin (luggage transfer) could take a day or more (A10). If you have a car, you could use it as a locker.

https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2278.html

Tourist destinations around Asahidake Onsen (A1).

https:/…index.html

Monday, Sep 24 is a holiday this year. The site would be crowded from Sep 22 to Sep 24, as the Silver Week.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/…

Special discount tickets are available for foreign visitors. The maximum is 10k yen. You could even consider LCC flights to Chitose.

https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2364.html

Rent-a-car may also cost less, especially if your credit card includes a part of full protection insurance.

Rent-a-car Hokkaido (Japanese) http://www.car489.jp

Rent-a-car (English) http://www.rentacar.or.jp/en/

JR Rent-a-car https:/…index.php

Some hotels offer free shuttle services.

Sounkyo is a traffic hub in East Disetsuzan. You could consider Obihiro, Kushiro, or Memambestu airports to get there.

uu-hokkaido.com/corporate/sounkyo.shtml

Eastern Hokkaido Bus http://en.visit-eastern-hokkaido.jp/eastbus/

Asahikawa/Kamikawa 21 buses/day Dohoku Bus www.dohokubus.com/files/kamikawa_souun.pdf

Asahikawa/Kitami 8 buses/day Sekihoku-Go http://www.dohokubus.com/files/sekihoku.pdf

Asahikawa/Kushiro 4 buses/day Sunrise akanbus.co.jp/foreign/en/express/asahikawa/

Asahikawa/Obihiro 2 buses/day Northliner https:/…

A1) See A1 above. Asahikawa airport is closer to JR Biei than JR Asahikawa. Asahidake Onsen is much further. Biei or Furano. They are rather in offseason. I might consider flying in Chitose and enjoy Sapporo on the way.

A2) I couldn't find the past records (in the next post, I show some.). I have read the old Asahidake Ropeway site said Koyo would start as early as late August. I believe that Koyo is better in an earlier side than a later side of the peak. Trees start to change colors. A phase of the mixture begins with green, yellow, orange, and red colors. A climax of dominant red colors then comes. Later, red, brown, and bare trees. Not beautiful. This skewness in time is similar in cherry blossoms. Once the peak comes, people do not care about it. Asahidake before Sep 15, Ginsendai around Sep 20, and Kogen Onsen around Sep 25. But the difference in elevation could make the best date unclear.

A3) No info. I do not expect a rapid re-opening.

A4) See A4 above. I withdraw the 14:30 bus. The Japan-Guide founder, Schauwecker, is a fast walker. He is from Switzerland.

A5) JR Asahikawa 7:40-(Ideyu-go)-9:06 Asahidake.

A6) Asahidake is just a detour if you take a route of Sugatami - Susoai-daira - Ohachi-daira.

A7) See A7 above. Word, pdf or other formats.

A8) Likely in AM.

A9) The two waterfalls are rather far from Sounkyo. I am not sure the bus to Lake Taisetsu would stop there. Still, you could walk there, or rent a bicycle.

A10) You may need to send the luggage the day before.

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I have looked through ten-year records in Japan-Guide.com. The yearly variation in Koyo is much larger than the daily progress. You could allocate the destinations as you like. Or, no plan. Just choose the best site to visit on that day.

2017/09/21 Daisetsu Kogen Onsen: Peak Colors https:/…170921_daisetsuzan.html

2017/09/20 Mount Asahidake: Beyond Peak, Fog https:/…170920_daisetsuzan.html

2016/09/21 Peak Colors, Ginsendai https:/…160921_daisetsuzan.html

2016/09/20 Approaching Peak, Delayed compared to the average year https:/…160920_daisetsuzan.html

2015/09/17 Daisetsuzan Report: peak colors, traverse https:/…150917_daisetsuzan.html

2015/09/16 Daisetsuzan Report: peak colors, Asahidake https:/…150916_daisetsuzan.html

2014/09/19 Tokachidake Report: 50% with mist, Blue Pond, Farm Tomita https:/…140919.html

2014/09/18 Kurodake Report: Snow https:/…140918.html

2014/09/17 Asahidake Report: Snow https:/…140917.html

2013/09/21 Kurodake Report: Burning with orange and red https:/…130921.html

2013/09/20 Asahidake Report: Already reached its peak https:/…130920.html

2012/10/18 Sounkyo Report: Best in the valley https:/…121018.html

2012/09/28 Kurodake Report: https:/…120928.html

2012/09/27 Kogen Onsen Report: Delayed and possibly limited the change in colors https:/…120927.html

2012/09/26 Asahidake Report: Best https:/…120926.html

2012/09/21 Asahidake Report: Susoaidaira https:/…120921.html

2012/09/20 Kurodake Report: Several more days, a loop to the Caldera https:/…120920.html

2012/09/18 Asahidake Report: Early stage https:/…120918.html

2011/09/14 Ginsendai Report: Not at peak, a course to Kurodake https:/…110914.html

2011/09/13 Asahidake Report: An early stage https:/…110913.html

2010/09/15 Kurodake Report: One week behind their average https:/…100915.html

2010/09/14 Asahidake Report: A week to the peak https:/…100914.html

2009/09/16 Tokachidake Onsen: Peak on Sep 25 https:/…090916.html

2009/09/15 Ginsendai: Best https:/…090915.html

2009/09/14 Mount Asahidake: Best https:/…090914.html

2008/09/26 Sounkyo Onsen: Best at 7th https:/…080926.html

2008/09/25 Daisetsu Kogen Onsen: Peak https:/…080925.html

2008/09/24 Mount Asahidake: Snow https:/…080924.html

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In summary, I may allocate Akan for your backup day. Or, stay in Asahikawa to choose the best day for Koyo. Or, hire a car to select the best site of the day.

Here is the info I have used to reach the above.

This lists Hokkaido destinations whose average Koyo peak matches late September. The sources are WalkerPlus, Nihon-Kankou, Jorudan, Rurubu, and WeatherNews. The asterisk(*) indicates each entry. Kogen Onsen has three while Asahidake one.

Early Sep - Early Oct * Daisetsuzan National Park

Mid-Sep - Late Sep * Lake Notoroko (Sango-sou)

Mid-Sep - Late Sep ** Mt Daisetsuzan (Kurodake)

Mid-Sep - Late Sep ** Mt Daisetsuzan (Akadake, Ginsendai)

Mid-Sep - Late Sep ** Mt Daisetsuzan (Kogen Onsen)

Mid-Sep - Late Sep * Tokachidake Onsen-gou/Complex

Mid-Sep - First Snow * Mt Tokachidake (Ansei Crater, Tokachidake Onsen)

Mid-Sep - First Snow * Mt Tokachidake (Around Hakugin-Sou, Fukiage Onsen)

Mid-Sep - Early Oct * Daisetsuzan Asahidake

Mid-Sep - Mid-Oct * Shumarinai Nature Park

Late Sep - Early Oct * Shiretoko Pass

Late Sep - Early Oct * Akan

Late Sep - Early Oct * Lake Akan

Late Sep - Early Oct * Lake Shikaribetsu

Late Sep - Early Oct * Daisetsuzan Kogen Onsen

Late Sep - Early Oct * Tokachidake Bogakudai Observatory

Late Sep - Early Oct * Mt Niseko Annupuri, Iwaonupuri

Late Sep - Early Oct * Niseko Panorama Line

Late Sep - Mid-Oct * Sounkyo Gorge

Late Sep - Mid-Oct * Goshiki Keikoku Gorge, Urakawa

Late Sep - Mid-Oct * Mt Iwaonupuri

Late Sep - Mid-Oct * Kagami-numa / Mirror Pond, Niseko

Late Sep - Mid-Oct * Unseki-kyo Gorge, Yakumo

Late Sep - Late Oct * Shiretoko Pass

The following two maps are 2017 estimates for maple and ginkgo trees in Hokkaido.

https:/…koyoMap2017-01_red_HOKKAIDO.jpg

https:/…koyoMap2017-01_yellow_HOKKAIDO.jpg

Koyo starts from the north (Daisetsuzan, Tokachidake, Notoro, and Shumarinai), then proceeds to the east (Akan, Shiretoko, Shikaribetsu) and the west (Niseko), and finally reaches the south (Goshiki Keikoku and Unsekikyo).

This lists the average weather in Asahikawa in September. You might expect five sunny days and two rainy days.

https:/…01_6_09.html

This bus pass includes Sounkyo, Asahikawa, Shirogane (Biei, Blue Pond), Furano, Sapporo, Niseko, and Chitose. I may fly in Chitose, stay in Asahikawa, commute Koyo sites in sunny days, and other areas in rainy days.

www.hokkaidox.com/en/hokkaido-bus-pass/

For Tokachidake, eight buses run daily from JR Kami-Furano. Google suggests one hour walk from Shirogane Onsen bus stop to Bogakudai, another one hour walk to Shirogane (Shirahige waterfalls), and half an hour walk to Blue Pond. There is a bus from Shirogane to Biei through Blue Pond. That portion is covered by the bus pass above.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer…

…hokkaido.jp/contents/01soumu/0140sharyo/bus…

www.town.kamifurano.hokkaido.jp/index.php…

https:/…

https:/…

https:/…

kamifurano.jp/exlang/…

From Sounkyo, there is a direct bus to Lake Akan. From there, there is a direct bus to Kushiro Airport. If you want to, you may stop by Kushiro City as well.

akanbus.co.jp/foreign/en/express/asahikawa/

http://en.kushiro-lakeakan.com/airportliner/

http://www.akanbus.co.jp/foreign/en/airport/

uu-hokkaido.com/corporate/kushiro-kankou.sht…

There is a bus between Shikaribetsu and Obihiro. Visit Tokachi Pass could be used. (A pdf leaflet will be downloaded if you click the link in Japanese).

https://www.takubus.com/top/然別湖コタン特設ページ/

https://www.takubus.com/路線バス/

There is a direct bus from Sounkyo to Obihiro and from Obihiro to Obihiro Airport.

uu-hokkaido.com/corporate/sounkyo.shtml

uu-hokkaido.com/corporate/…obikan.shtml

Shumarinai

http://en.shumarinai.jp

Notoro

zekkeijapan.com/spot/index/188/?language=1

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10. Re: Daisetsuzan 4-5 days autumn photography trip

Numa-no-taira near Aizankei Gorge (between Asahikawa and Sounkyo) should reach the peak around Autumnal Equinox. You need a car to go there.

http://zekkeijapan.com/spot/index/370/

http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~bear/hikeautumn/kouyounumanotaira.htm

http://sakag.web.fc2.com/numanotaira.htm

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